Bartholomew emphasized the importance of dropping the identity of a victim and the perception of being at the mercy of an invisible, punitive God.

The discussion highlighted letting go of the belief in karma as a punishing force and reframing experiences as opportunities for awakening. The narrative stressed the potential for finding peace and bliss amidst pain by quieting the mind and embracing direct experience over incessant thinking.

In closing, Bartholomew reflected on the quality of people drawn to this teaching, noting their intelligence and ability to discern truth through personal experience.

Ultimately, the conversation circled back to the realization that true liberation comes from understanding one's origin and embracing the present moment fully, without the constraints of past grievances or future fears.